[CHEM-HIST] question about an editorial passage from Chemistry & Industry, Feb 9th, 1923

[Pallo Gabor]

Hevesy rememberd that his discovery of hafnium was challenged not only 
by Urbain but also by  Alexander Scott who worked at the British Museum. 
Scott published his attack against Hevesy in Chemical news.
Gabor Pallo
2014.07.29. 11:15 keltezéssel, Morris Peter írta:
> The Perkin in question was almost certainly W. H. Perkin Jr, then
> professor in Oxford and Britain's leading organic chemist. Wynne was
> never editor of Chemical News as far as I can tell (see the wonderful
> history of Chemical News by Bill Brock in the 1992 Bulletin, available
> online).
>
> Why did the editorial call for organic chemists to find an element? It
> is very hard to say. It reads to me as a purely rhetorical roll call of
> famous English chemists rather than any attempt to seriously list
> element discoverers, note that part of the writer's concern is the
> discovery of elements by Scottish chemists as well as completely foreign
> ones. Palmer Wynne was one of England's leading chemists at the time,
> about to become President of the Chemical Society (his obit was
> published by the Royal Society and available on JSTOR).
>
> It seems fairly clear to me that the editorial was written by the
> editor. I do not know who was editor at the time, but I recall it had
> just changed from being the Journal of the Society of Chemical Industry
> to Chemistry and Industry. Bill Brock might know.
>
> Hope this helps,
>
> Peter
>
>
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> Subject: Re: [CHEM-HIST] question about an editorial passage from
> Chemistry & Industry, Feb 9th, 1923
>
> Arthur George Perkin -1937
> http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_George_Perkin
> William Henry Perkin -1929
> http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Henry_Perkin,_Jr.
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, July 29, 2014, Eric Scerri <scerri at chem.ucla.edu> wrote:
>> Can anybody help with this quotation concerning the background story
> to
> the discovery of element 72 or hafnium.
>> Th      It is a comment was made in an editorial in Chemistry &
> Industry.
>   Unfortunately the editor/author is not named.  Nor is he named at the
> start of the volume or anywhere that I can find.
>> "There are only very few elements left to discover and we beg Dr.
> Aston,
> Professors Perkin, Wynne and others to claim some of these for England
> before it is too late".
>>
> http://www.mocavo.com/Society-of-Chemical-Industry-Great-Britain-1923-Vo
> lume-1/509641/138
>> It seems odd that the author should be calling upon W.P. Wynne who was
> an
> organic chemist to go about discovering a new element.  And for that
> matter
> who is this particular Perkin, still working in the 1920s?  Another
> organic
> chemist?  Apologies for my lack of knowledge of organic chemistry.
>> My real interest is in Wynne who was for sometime editor of Chemical
> News
> and wrote the following curious statement,
>> We adhere to the original word celtium given to it by Urbain as a
> representative of the great French nation which was loyal to us
> throughout
> the war.  We do not accept the name which was given it by the Danes who
> only pocketed the spoils of war.
>> He was wrong of course.  Urbain had not discovered the element in
> question, whereas Coster and Hevesy, neither of them Danes incidentally,
> but working in Copenhagen, had.
>> It appears that Wynne was an organic chemist who worked with Henry
> Armstrong at Imperial College, especially on napthalene derivatives.
>> But I cannot find much more about him.  For example, when was he
> editor
> of Chemical News?  Is there a history of this journal anywhere,
> including a
> list of editors.  It was founded by William Crookes in 1867 and volume 1
> is
> available in full on line.  Some isolated other volumes seem to be also.
>> To return to the first quotation, a Brit called Scott did claim to
> have
> discovered an element that he believed was the missing one and he called
> it
> oceanium.  The editorial mentions this episode.  The same people in
> Copenhagen established that it was not in fact a new element.
>> regards,
>> eric scerri
>>
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